Adistar

Definitely was one of the better lvl 5 gangs in the server with stable activity for a very long time. Rest in peace brothers

@Terry as written in the topic, there was a voting made by Kain and it is clear that the majority does not agree with your stance on Speed. That's why it is better to find a common ground that would satisfy both sides at least, and this suggestion could be one. Another thing I've stated is that this suggestion is just the first step for new features in the future hopefully. The idea could be expanded to even an inventory system which may solve your problem about having to buy drugs everytime, but as I honestly don't see SAES implementing something big anytime soon, suggesting the entire idea step by step would be better @James - Perhaps explain why it is bad?

@Mrwan said in The compromise: You could also take a look at this suggestion which Is something cool that'll make more options other than just speed. (https://saesrpg.uk/topic/10598/new-job-and-new-selling-ability) I would like to bring this topic to attention as it contains more ideas to get added to the vending machine, impacting the combat gameplay a lot in a positive way I believe

@Crash said in The compromise: About the HP i can see a Candi bar being used or a protain shake , i also would like to see something else that was discussed on discord during that suggestion about adrenaline shots for medics yes they can bias like the drug dealers but since its something everyone can spawn ,you can ask a friend to do spawn for you and would have the same effect of energy drink or maybe a lower boost since its something you can access on the spot unlike energy drinks If lower boost then it could be considered, because the compensation for drugs dealers is the wanted stars. Would make it more expensive tho to motivate people to buy from vending machine and help fix the economy a little

With all these discussions going on, we finally managed to get on a common ground with certain individuals from the cop side. This suggestion could be a good first step for future agreements and possible features. The idea (Thanks to @Jay for the core of the idea) is to place vending machines at hospital or a little further away from the bank. The vending machines would offer products such as an energy drink which could enhance the speed and other products which could f.e heal the players; we can discuss the products in more detail here, and everyone is free to suggest anything else that could be added in the vending machine. I want to focus on the speed feature mainly. The general purpose of this suggestion is that, instead of removing scripts to balance the sides, the server should add new features to make it more challenging and enjoyable. As the speed feature was being discussed lately(Important remark: the discussion was not just about balancing both sides but also about the script being a 'silly' mechanic. But as the poll in Kain's topic has shown, the majority does not agree with removing the speed feature, namely because it is fun to use), this is how the vending machine could stop the discussions about speed or drugs dealers in general: The vending machine could sell an energy drink which gives everyone 1.15, 1.2 or 1.25 more speed. Honestly I think 1.2 is more fair and you will understand after reading the next points Drugs dealers will still sell a speed drug which SHOULD be faster than the energy drink in the vending machine, but both the seller and the buyer will get wanted stars, THUS @Lincoln's suggestion should be reconsidered, and the drug will be more expensive. This will get rid of cops spawning as drugs dealer at BR and the general drugs dealers camping at hospital to sell as there is a vending machine which everyone can access, which could potentially improve the economy as well, as the speed feature is being over-bought. Finally, criminals won't be able to camp at jail unwanted with drugs, so that they can prepare themselves to rush into jail easily. As the current speed drug makes you 1.3 times faster, I propose that buying the energy drink must make you 1.2 in this case, or even 1.15, as cops already have shotgun, but this could be discussed. Personally, I think this vending machine has way more pros than cons and definitely is a way to improve the server, balancing both sides and the economy. As this idea is seriously being considered by certain staff members, I would like to know your opinions and if you agree with the idea, maybe share suggestions what other products could be added to the vending machine. Thanks for readin! Edit: PC dogs SHOULD NOT be allowed to buy any of these.

@Human_ said in Removing the right to use military weapons from the criminals: Would you suggest this if you didn't get DE two days ago? He only wants to restrict it to criminals. Cops get to use the military guns regardless of this suggestion being implemented or not. What makes it even worse is that majority of the voters are people from the cop side, so they won't be affected by this suggestion. I get it that all of you get mad when someone from the criminal side suggests something that may not be in favour of cops, but don't go even lower and suggest something like this lol. This is another example of where the fun aspect of the server gets overlooked, so I disagree with this idea.

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Honestly if I were to give my solution, I would say let cops earn money from killing criminals in br, but let the crims respawn instead of getting jailed. Sounds like a compromise, no? Maybe have it like that instead of complete removal of killarrest

@AntiRug said in Remove killarrest: @Adistar said in Remove killarrest: @AntiRug said in Remove killarrest: @Adistar said in Remove killarrest: @AntiRug - Kinda going in circles with what I am about to say (not just you, almost everyone so far, because I believe this idea is misunderstood) but exactly, you and the rest of the cops have built something that makes all you organized and very well capable of stopping the br now, without killarrest feature, which was brought to saes not long ago only to balance the sides. I ran into someone misunderstanding this so just for clarity; I am not saying cops shouldn't be allowed to kill. They actually should, but we shouldn't be sent to jail and instead be able to respawn at hosp, prop, base whatever, just like the cops do. A very simple suggestion. Hope this makes it clear to you what I am aiming at. Feel free to respond or discuss what I said Oh no, I understood your point perfectly. I still 100% disagree with your point, because of the reasons i mentioned before. The criminals didnt have a problem with it when the cops were inactive, because they were able to secure each and every single BR. Now that we have made a comeback, yall gotta find something to nerf so you all could go back to robbing banks asif it was a walk in the park. Also just to clarify i disagree with your suggestion not u, we luv ya! Hhh love back men. I think everyone agrees that it was not a problem when cops were inactive. Thats why killarrest was brought in obviously. So if the reason of killarrest was to balance crims and cops, and now cops managed to get back active and actually strategic. Doesn't that mean that the reason of killarrest has been nullified? And if so, what is the purpose of killarrest now, other than it being an extra tool? Why not have crims getting killed on same level as cops, meaning: without jailtime? Becuase you know damn well that the BR would be impossible without such addition. This is where you and I will keep disagreeing. So unless you can convince me why removing killarrest will impact the cop side a lot - and it has been said earlier, f.e our own failed bankrobs weren't even due to killarrest - I don't think we should continue or else we'll just be going in circles and wasting time

@AntiRug said in Remove killarrest: @Adistar said in Remove killarrest: @AntiRug - Kinda going in circles with what I am about to say (not just you, almost everyone so far, because I believe this idea is misunderstood) but exactly, you and the rest of the cops have built something that makes all you organized and very well capable of stopping the br now, without killarrest feature, which was brought to saes not long ago only to balance the sides. I ran into someone misunderstanding this so just for clarity; I am not saying cops shouldn't be allowed to kill. They actually should, but we shouldn't be sent to jail and instead be able to respawn at hosp, prop, base whatever, just like the cops do. A very simple suggestion. Hope this makes it clear to you what I am aiming at. Feel free to respond or discuss what I said Oh no, I understood your point perfectly. I still 100% disagree with your point, because of the reasons i mentioned before. The criminals didnt have a problem with it when the cops were inactive, because they were able to secure each and every single BR. Now that we have made a comeback, yall gotta find something to nerf so you all could go back to robbing banks asif it was a walk in the park. Also just to clarify i disagree with your suggestion not u, we luv ya! Hhh love back men. I think everyone agrees that it was not a problem when cops were inactive. Thats why killarrest was brought in obviously. So if the reason of killarrest was to balance crims and cops, and now cops managed to get back active and actually strategic. Doesn't that mean that the reason of killarrest has been nullified? And if so, what is the purpose of killarrest now, other than it being an extra tool? Why not have crims getting killed on same level as cops, meaning: without jailtime?

@AntiRug - Kinda going in circles with what I am about to say (not just you, almost everyone so far, because I believe this idea is misunderstood) but exactly, you and the rest of the cops have built something that makes all you organized and very well capable of stopping the br now, without killarrest feature, which was brought to saes not long ago only to balance the sides. I ran into someone misunderstanding this so just for clarity; I am not saying cops shouldn't be allowed to kill. They actually should, but we shouldn't be sent to jail and instead be able to respawn at hosp, prop, base whatever, just like the cops do. A very simple suggestion. Hope this makes it clear to you what I am aiming at. Feel free to respond or discuss what I said

@Daryl said in Remove killarrest: If we're being realistic these complaints are coming in because cops now have the ability, through team work and actual response times to come to bank robs. Statistically speaking bank robs are still favoured for criminals, even since the changes to LV bank and the closure of LS bank. Once HLS stop responding to LV bank and LS bank is re-opened with the new interior, we're going to see the success rate go back up. ThC failing 2 bank robs yesterday is what has caused this topic, you can say that this is a discussion that's been had in private for a long time and I would believe you when you say that - but what has made this be brought to the public by the leader of ThC is the fact that gang yesterday failed 2 bank robs. They did not fail due to kill arrest - from their own admission it was a police dog running around that caused them to fail, because criminals killed eachother and actually ended up killing a ThC cracker. If the criminals didn't do this, with the amount of defense there, including CLO, the bank rob would likely not have failed. If ThC didn't start a second BR in SF with low numbers, due to teddy and other ThC also returning to LV at the same time, the SF bank rob may have also succeeded. In both cases there are clear and obvious reasons why the bank robs failed, that have nothing at all to do with kill arrest. Take us back to the days before kill arrest if you can remember them, playing as a cop in a bank rob or at the jail was impossible and there was realistically no way of winning. I think making a MASSIVE change like this, simply because the success rate is swinging to 50% (ish) is incredibly short sighted. If anything, smaller changes should come first - why would you start out with one of the biggest changes you could possibly make without first suggesting smaller more incremental changes? My God. You literally got witnesses showing up and confirming what I said and you still prefer to stick to your own assumptions (changing the ENTIRE topic) even though you haven't seen our conversations nor do you have any chat snippet where I spoke about the 2 brs. Believe me, I couldn't careless about the 2 failed brs yesterday. Heck, you confirmed it yourself, they failed due to pc dogs not even killarrest smh Joe, clearly you're stubborn, thus you're not welcome to join the discussion. Have a good day men!!

@Kain said in Remove killarrest: Fail 2 BRs > Make topic about removing the only thing that caused them to fail. :honk: Expected you were going to be your typical immature self and connect this topic to the 2 failed BRs. It has nothing to do with it. Its been an ongoing discussion between gangs for a while now and we decided to take the initiative of suggesting it. We failed due to the dog by the way.. got killed by a crim (KUCH @ILLUSION) before I could replace the cracker lol. I would like to propose something. How about you have a normal discussion here instead, stating why you disagree with the suggestion, instead of changing the entire topic to something that has nothing to do with it, as a HQ admin is supposed to do? @Crash no time to read your post atm will answer later oki

@Predator said in Remove killarrest: First of all Cop side activity increased due to the joinning of ETF & Five-0 to official squads, so currently there are 17 official gangs against 7 official squads this seems balanced to you? i don't think so, thinking logically you're overpowered over twice our numbers and you got drugs in your favour. So please think twice before suggesting such suggestions... I would say you need to think twice before responding. That right now there are 17 gangs and 7 squad, doesn't justify shit. You need to look at who is online. When we all do login, the amount of cops increase, lets say there are maybe 40% cops and 60% crims, and given that cops already can call DE, HLS and who knows SS soon when there is just 1 CLO + have access to dog spawn which has way more effect than you think + HLS can be given permission to raid BRs without occurence of CLO at times, you can't just look at the numbers. Now, seeing that cops are really well organized, does killarrest still fulfill its purpose now? Lets not pretend cops aren't using drugs..

@Vennelle said in Remove killarrest: @Bone said in Remove killarrest: @Vennelle said in Remove killarrest: naa, if you remove kill arrest the jail will just be a ''arrest .... at jefferson'' event AKA impossible. So in short the mapping is shiet which i agree on tho That's not exactly what i meant but yea, that too. Maybe if we would change the jail interior the kill arrest could be removed. As of now there is no cover for cops to hide while pushing the corridor which makes it ''impossible'' Either keep it in jail or map a new jail to balance it more. Pretty sure crims would support a new jail cuz this one is way too crap. But BRs; you guys are good now. It is time to balance the crim side when it comes to BR

Hello everyone, Not long time ago, the killarrest feature was introduced to balance the crim and cop side. Seeing that the cop side is now organized and capable of stopping bankrobberies easily, I believe the killarrest feature does no longer fulfill its purpose as the crim and cop side are already balanced without the feature. For this reason I would like to suggest the removal of this feature, and of course, we can have a discussion in this topic.

This is starting to sound like youtube boxing events @Assassin O vs NNB in Lounge incoming???? I'd pay to watch!!

@SteVen @EloThAm - I got impressed by your performance during wars ingame and you are both known in The Company (Elotham from Conferos past and Steven as TuRBo). Pending, find a coordinator or higher ingame for a test

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@Jacop1 I definitely did not forget your attitude towards me a few days ago. Don't even try to apply again. Denied Edit: I hope that you deleting your application after getting denied will be something other organizations consider when you apply for them

@System31 said in Department of Homeland Security - Bank Review: oUtFit is iNactiVe Really nice to say that with confidence after probably a year of inactivity xD

@Howlze said in SAES 16th Birthday: I'm going to RAGE over the fact that I didn't win the mansion

@Silence0 - The way you left Rebels makes us question your loyalty. Denied, apply in 2 weeks if you're still interested, and make sure you explain how you still, despite your past in Rebels, can be loyal to ThC

@abdobary - After further discussion we decided to deny you due to lack of experience. You may reapply in a month if desired