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[Suggestion] Reformed Rules about Avoids


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In the game, we sometimes kill ourselves by accident. Depending on the other players attitude, this can lead to a report and AJ. Even if we try to fix the situation by offering a free arrest after death, the final decision belongs to the other player. Some players may report even small situations, especially if they do not like you.

This suggestion is made to create a fairer system and to reduce misunderstandings.

To explain the situation better, I will give some example scenarios:

1.) Scenario: Accidental Death

During a chase, the criminal Bostonking is being chased by police officer Aveyro. Bostonking throws a grenade to kill Aveyro. Because of lag, Aveyro does not take damage, but Bostonking takes damage from his own grenade. The chase continues. Bostonking runs to a rooftop. While Aveyro is trying to come down, Bostonking throws another grenade and jumps off the roof, thinking he has enough health, but he dies.

Bostonking understands that it was his mistake. He apologizes to Aveyro and offers a free arrest. However, Aveyro refuses and reports him, asking for AJ.

In this situation, even if the player accepts the mistake and tries to fix it, they can still get AJ because of the other player’s decision. This is a game, and accidents like this can happen to anyone. Personally, I enjoy chases and I would not kill myself on purpose.

1.2) Scenario: Accidental Killing

Sometimes we also accidentally kill our friends, either with a gun or a grenade. After that, we usually offer a free arrest. However, it still depends on the other player if they want to report or not. If they do not like you, they may report you anyway and this can result in AJ.

2.) Scenario: Intentional Killing 

In this situation, the player knows that the police are chasing them. While the police are away from the player (around 300 - 200 meters), the player kills themselves on purpose to avoid being arrested.

This action clearly shows bad intention. Even if the player later offers a free arrest, reporting is still the responsibility of the police. 

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There can be many different situations in the game, and they should not all be treated the same way. For this reason, I believe admins should consider the players intention not the only result when reviewing reports.

Please share your thoughts and possible problems or scenarios when voting yes or no. This is an important topic, and I believe it can be solved through discussion.

Especially players on the copside should share their opinions, because this situation also affects your gameplay.

Edited by Bakuninboston

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1. Dont jump from the roof while u are low dumb fuck.

2. Learn how to aim better so you wont kill ur friends.

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Accidents happen, that is very much understandable. However, if we start to deem that invalid due to intention, then we will not be able to differentiate between a legitimate accident and a rulebreak on purpose. If you, for example, were shooting a cop, and a crim happened to run in front of you or just happened to be nearby and died from your gunshots, we will never truly know whether you meant it on purpose or you truly were shooting the cop. People can fake their intentions which leads us to get rid of the compassion and act based on the proof we have. I know it is frustrating, and I have been there plenty of times, and I was even punished for those accidents a couple of times before without actually meaning it, but it is what it is really. At the end of the day, you're just gonna spend a couple of seconds in adminjail and continue your game being more careful. If you did offer an arrest after an avoid and the player refuses it and reports, it is still within his rights. Why? Because we get back to the initial factor, intention. Some people can literally just get themselves killed so they can get the option to /sur in hospital, or just to piss off the police officer, or for whatever other reason... This for is without denying that there are genuine people who do happen to end up in unfortunate cases, like yourself probably, but yeah, it is what it is. 

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Ma man, this suggestion will add more crying and tears among cops and crims.
- It was 200 meters!!
- It was 150 meters!!!
- NO IT WAS 200 you dumb maggot

Also I'm pretty sure som of criminal side players will abuse this suggested rule and be like "it was not on purpose". 

From the cop side it won't really help, mb only reduce AJ's by a bit.
From the crim side it will add more ways to abuse the rule.

I'd rather not change it🤷‍♂️ 

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This suggestion doesn't aim to give any advantage/disadvantage to either side.

Suggestion's main purpose is reducing AJ; because if someone hates you, you can get AJ by easy. It's easy to manipulate; as like on Scenario 1, I got reported because of that,  I was wrong even it was by accident, to solve this situation without going report I wanted to give free arrest, I though it could solve this but It didn't help, my friend Aveyro wanted to go for report. Due to existing rules it's his rights and he always have right to do it.

Suggestion aims to change this.

If wrong side gives you free arrest and admits his fault, you shouldn't report him, even you reported him admins need to solve it by reviewing, not always based on evidence.

26 minutes ago, Dinaz said:

 People can fake their intentions which leads us to get rid of the compassion and act based on the proof we have. 

Actually it is what it is right now, if you review my last AJs; most of them reviewed by proof that reporter sent.

38 minutes ago, PsyGhost said:

Ma man, this suggestion will add more crying and tears among cops and crims.
- It was 200 meters!!
- It was 150 meters!!!
- NO IT WAS 200 you dumb maggot

Also I'm pretty sure som of criminal side players will abuse this suggested rule and be like "it was not on purpose". 

From the cop side it won't really help, mb only reduce AJ's by a bit.
From the crim side it will add more ways to abuse the rule.

I'd rather not change it🤷‍♂️ 

There is no way to abuse this system because at the end whoever do this will get arrested by cop on hospital or not. As i said, this system aims to reduce AJ cards, police side won't be affected at all.

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We're going to see a lot of manipulated AJs as long as cops keep shooting from behind to make criminals make mistakes during chases.

Most of the time, I’ve been chased by many cops, and while escaping, I keep getting shot at from behind by snipers. They know I’m going to jump and forcing me to do avoid by sniping.

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