[CHANGE] BR Rules

[Bisollini]

As this topic was created, I decided to share my opinion as well.

Currently, for a bank robbery there is a need of 10 official squad members. However, recently I noticed that the squad members are respawning or leaving the game, some on purpose, others maybe not, respawning as some other class or group just to prevent bank robberies.

(I) No matter what the spawn is, an official squad member should count. Earlier today, there were 5 official squads and 6 non-spawned.

(II) If the official squad member count is 10 and someone leaves, that count stays for 5-10 minutes more. For an example a gang is regrouping while there are 10 official squad members. On their take-off, 1 or 2 leaves and that way they can't start a bank robbery. So you could make it so even after they leave, they'd count for some more time.

[Jay]

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@silikondy said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

big no lol, imagine BRing with 3 cops vs 40 defender. that would be cancer

People need to stop with this ideology now really, it can't always be about who gets the W. Sometimes some gameplay is better than nothing at all.

The only change that needs to happen is sqhads count whilst spawned as other classes. 99 of the time cops already know about a br before they happen, and it doesn't exactly take long to respawn.

Mindsets like your are fucking the cop side and thats why it is dying.

I think you'll find it's actually mindsets like yours and I find it baffling and actually quite funny that you don't think players like you are the problem. You don't want BRs to happen, this prevents you from playing. You don't want turfs to be prolonged, this prevents you from playing. You don't want long JBs, this prevents you from playing. You camp a raceflag with unwanted racers to stop it from starting, this prevents you from playing.

How do you not see that you, and others like you, are the issue?

I would also like to point out that the suggestion isn't about changing the amount of squads currently online, just the ones spawned. Those who spawn as civilian or some other group on their own are trying to prevent BRs from happening. This is creating stagnant gameplay - or a lack of gameplay and this reduces server numbers quite obviously. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but this sort of negativity is exactly why people aren't drawn to the police side as much as they used to be. The general theme in SAES at the minute, and has been for a long time (hence why I don't play) is criminals trying to play the game and cops trying to stop them from doing it. Talk about boring.

The suggestion is literally so you have to respawn from being a priest and go and play as a cop when required. If you don't want to go and you're enjoying your incredible gameplay of /pray in the cemetery then that's up to you. But not attending a BR has no negative impact on you or your squad, and it's not as if the payout from a bank is even good. It's literally about 80k. Wow, super gt soon?????

Do you have a brain ?
I dont want BR's cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want to turfs be prolonged cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want JB's cuz my role is arrest crims and JB let them out of the jail.
I camp at raceflags cuz its illegal and i must difficult it.

Mindsets like yours are killing the cop side. And that why is hard to see more than 10 cops online.

Memes aside, I really have no idea what you just said

[Groove]

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@silikondy said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

big no lol, imagine BRing with 3 cops vs 40 defender. that would be cancer

People need to stop with this ideology now really, it can't always be about who gets the W. Sometimes some gameplay is better than nothing at all.

The only change that needs to happen is sqhads count whilst spawned as other classes. 99 of the time cops already know about a br before they happen, and it doesn't exactly take long to respawn.

Mindsets like your are fucking the cop side and thats why it is dying.

I think you'll find it's actually mindsets like yours and I find it baffling and actually quite funny that you don't think players like you are the problem. You don't want BRs to happen, this prevents you from playing. You don't want turfs to be prolonged, this prevents you from playing. You don't want long JBs, this prevents you from playing. You camp a raceflag with unwanted racers to stop it from starting, this prevents you from playing.

How do you not see that you, and others like you, are the issue?

I would also like to point out that the suggestion isn't about changing the amount of squads currently online, just the ones spawned. Those who spawn as civilian or some other group on their own are trying to prevent BRs from happening. This is creating stagnant gameplay - or a lack of gameplay and this reduces server numbers quite obviously. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but this sort of negativity is exactly why people aren't drawn to the police side as much as they used to be. The general theme in SAES at the minute, and has been for a long time (hence why I don't play) is criminals trying to play the game and cops trying to stop them from doing it. Talk about boring.

The suggestion is literally so you have to respawn from being a priest and go and play as a cop when required. If you don't want to go and you're enjoying your incredible gameplay of /pray in the cemetery then that's up to you. But not attending a BR has no negative impact on you or your squad, and it's not as if the payout from a bank is even good. It's literally about 80k. Wow, super gt soon?????

Do you have a brain ?
I dont want BR's cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want to turfs be prolonged cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want JB's cuz my role is arrest crims and JB let them out of the jail.
I camp at raceflags cuz its illegal and i must difficult it.

Mindsets like yours are killing the cop side. And that why is hard to see more than 10 cops online.

Now that you mention raceflags, I'm pretty sure you have done the server a great favor by negating the fun of a dozen of players by constantly camping those raceflags for instance. I sincerly think at this point you are just trying to take the piss on everyone and see how far you can push it before you eventually get yourself banned once again for some silly stuffs.

Server has several flaws, and it's absolutely not deniable: but perhaps your mindset is far more problematic to the community in general? But hey, you are probably doing that on purpose with the conviction of exploiting grey loopholes on the rules (whereas of a rule would be too harsh, but having none leads to you crushing others people gameplay for close of fuckall).

At this point, I'm pretty much convinced you are just taking the piss / trolling (depend how you look at it); so hey, you do yours. Just sounds kind of stupid to justify your POV with that

[Spetnazz]

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@sherap2-0 said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@silikondy said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

big no lol, imagine BRing with 3 cops vs 40 defender. that would be cancer

People need to stop with this ideology now really, it can't always be about who gets the W. Sometimes some gameplay is better than nothing at all.

The only change that needs to happen is sqhads count whilst spawned as other classes. 99 of the time cops already know about a br before they happen, and it doesn't exactly take long to respawn.

Mindsets like your are fucking the cop side and thats why it is dying.

I think you'll find it's actually mindsets like yours and I find it baffling and actually quite funny that you don't think players like you are the problem. You don't want BRs to happen, this prevents you from playing. You don't want turfs to be prolonged, this prevents you from playing. You don't want long JBs, this prevents you from playing. You camp a raceflag with unwanted racers to stop it from starting, this prevents you from playing.

How do you not see that you, and others like you, are the issue?

I would also like to point out that the suggestion isn't about changing the amount of squads currently online, just the ones spawned. Those who spawn as civilian or some other group on their own are trying to prevent BRs from happening. This is creating stagnant gameplay - or a lack of gameplay and this reduces server numbers quite obviously. I'm not saying it's the only factor, but this sort of negativity is exactly why people aren't drawn to the police side as much as they used to be. The general theme in SAES at the minute, and has been for a long time (hence why I don't play) is criminals trying to play the game and cops trying to stop them from doing it. Talk about boring.

The suggestion is literally so you have to respawn from being a priest and go and play as a cop when required. If you don't want to go and you're enjoying your incredible gameplay of /pray in the cemetery then that's up to you. But not attending a BR has no negative impact on you or your squad, and it's not as if the payout from a bank is even good. It's literally about 80k. Wow, super gt soon?????

Do you have a brain ?
I dont want BR's cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want to turfs be prolonged cuz im cop and i need difficult it.
I dont want JB's cuz my role is arrest crims and JB let them out of the jail.
I camp at raceflags cuz its illegal and i must difficult it.

Mindsets like yours are killing the cop side. And that why is hard to see more than 10 cops online.

I recall making a post a year ago about people acting like this is real life, or 100 % RP. This post is a pretty accurate description of what I meant. This is not Brazil, you're not in the favela preventing the local monkeys from doing their third robbery of the week. It's SAES, dynamic gameplay is what keeps the server going.

[blizzard]

@spetnazz said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

I recall making a post a year ago about people acting like this is real life, or 100 % RP. This post is a pretty accurate description of what I meant. This is not Brazil, you're not in the favela preventing the local monkeys from doing their third robbery of the week. It's SAES, dynamic gameplay is what keeps the server going.

you are expecting a bit too much logic out of a primate, soon he will demand a salary from Brophy for defending the in-game activities 24/7 from people who are trying to have atleast 1% fun in this videogame.

[Kuby]

after removing detecting afk script , i simply blame who was incites cops for avoid stayin afk as squad member .. (for make bankrob time under their mood control) ,
so in order to not falling into the fallacy of circular reasoning we can say the problem isn't this type of complainers . , the real problem in those admins who not even differ about their thoughts/opinions & trying to make satisfaction for this behaviour who already rekt the mechanism of this game

[Weppo]

@jay its concerning that you as group manager are for this suggestion. "Those who spawn as civilian or some other group on their own are trying to prevent BRs from happening."

The reason I and the people I play with spawn as a group is to have fun in THESE groups. This in an activity for us which isn't about arresting. Its about having a fight without getting reported. Or to do some other activity. (For me RP) this isn't my way of taking revenge against criminals. This is my own fun. Also; we have to meet reqruitments.

[kikas]

If you respawn and actually do intend to play as the class you respawned as, why would you even care about the BR starting? You do your activity, we do ours. Nobody is forcing you to respawn as a cop and respond to every single BR just because you're in a squad. Just like nobody can force me to go assist another gang in turfs or bankrobs. It's a choice.

This change is not meant to force you out of the other classes you want to play as. It's meant to allow us to do an activity without the fear of somebody blocking it by intentionally respawning as another class, but not actually doing anything as that class.

I'm aware that it's not an ideal solution, since it leaves the few remaining cops who want to respond at a massive numbers disadvantage. One way to fix it would be going back to the old BR system, where only the gang robbing the bank could defend it, with the bank interiors being linear and having only one way to enter the vault. But that is a problem for a whole another discussion.

[Bisollini]

@weppo " If you don't want to go and you're enjoying your incredible gameplay of /pray in the cemetery then that's up to you."

[Jay]

@weppo said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@jay its concerning that you as group manager are for this suggestion. "Those who spawn as civilian or some other group on their own are trying to prevent BRs from happening."

The reason I and the people I play with spawn as a group is to have fun in THESE groups. This in an activity for us which isn't about arresting. Its about having a fight without getting reported. Or to do some other activity. (For me RP) this isn't my way of taking revenge against criminals. This is my own fun. Also; we have to meet reqruitments.

First off being a group manager doesn't reflect what gang management does, this is just an unfortunate similarity in name and both being referred as GM is what causes confusion.

That being said, I did also go on to say (in not so many words) that you don't have to respond to a BR if you don't want to. It has zero effect on your squad if you attend or not, you can continue doing what you want. But you have to admit, you must have seen it yourself, the likes of certain squad members who are spawned as a firefighter or general civilian on their own and teasing the gangs in main chat with nonsense like "but i am just playing as civilian" or other cops who will purposefully leave the game and mysteriously return 20 minutes later only to log out again realising that a BR regroup is still happening. Cops like that stagnating and reducing gameplay and only increasing the friction between both sides. We need more gameplay not less. More BRs for example would even encourage people to want to play as a cop because it's just as fun to try and stop them for some people as it is to rob for others.

But the biggest thing to remember is as sad as it sounds, this server ultimately doesn't need cops to survive. There are plenty of jobs and games that the gangs can play with or against each other, but cops rely on criminals or they have almost nothing to do other than escort a VIP.

[Weppo]

@jay I know that you are group manager, that's the reason I explicitly responded to you.

I will enjoy my time as president, but I also have other groups to attend and do activities for. Not only for myself but also for the benefit of not letting the groups die.

There is a report button ingame if you see someone intenionally blocking brs. But I have also seen the otherside, were I have been doing stuff for SS for more then an hour and getting reported for it. If I want to do something for my group I should be able to.

I also suggested pbrs to happen more often, they work almost the same way as a normal br. They just don't get noticed by HLS results.

[sherap2.0]

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

this server ultimately doesn't need cops to survive

You just confirmed what i said about you. Mindsets like yours are killing the cop side.
Do something useful ... create a suggestion to change the server name : SAES RPG to SAES PvP
Sad to see peoples like you in SAES Group Manager

[sherap2.0]

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

More BRs for example would even encourage people to want to play as a cop because it's just as fun to try and stop them for some people as it is to rob for others

There are already many BR's happening every day. Nothing has changed for the cop side. Come in-game to see the situation before post here.

[Jay]

@sherap2-0 It doesn't take a genius to see that you can't quite grasp the simplicity of what I'm trying to say to you.

I'm not saying "get rid of cops" I'm simply saying that the server can function without them, but obviously it is 100% better with them and even better when there are cops who understand that criminal activities need to happen in order for the server to be fun.

I have to ask you, are you even having fun when you join? Is it fun for you to camp race flags and stop them from happening? Or would it be more fun if you allowed them to start and chased them during the race? Is it fun for you to see and prevent a BR from ever happening or is it more fun to try and stop it once it starts? These are the things that you need to ask yourself, because if every cop thought like you then there wouldn't be any criminals to chase would there?

I honestly don't understand why people like you, or more specifically just you, can't understand that your actions have a detrimental effect on what happens in the server. If you camp raceflags then you are stopping 10 people from doing that activity, which means any groups in relation to that activity become more and more inactive which in turn provides less wanted racers for other cops to arrest. If you fuck up criminals grouping for a BR it has the same effect on those gangs, and the cops who would be chasing them.

I am honestly not sure if you are seriously this stupid or if you're one of the best trolls I have ever come across.

But, one thing I am sure of is if this is the attitude that you have then that "pls final chance pls" from your last ban appeal won't work on your next.

[Line]

As jay said : Something happening is better than nothing cuz the gameplay become boring .
+1 for discounting the scripts to 7 squad members .

[Weppo]

Can we get back to topic;

Rather then change this, change the PBR system to happen more. It's the same event, it just doesn't count towards HLS results.

If it's about that then I stand by my point of this suggestion being focussed on wanting higher results rather then having the activity. Since we all know CLO is not allowed to come to ANY criminal org. So it's already about having the best score rather then having a server activity.

[Bisollini]

@weppo Believe it or not BR > PBR and it's different!

[Jay]

@Weppo BR and PBR are not the same at all. The whole gameplay and way you get paid is different, the only similarity is they happen in the same place.

If you would like to see that system change then I would say create a topic for that.

BRs are part of a gang requirement, a PBR is not.

[Weppo]

@jay Last time I had an argument with DROT about the importance of BRs he told me and I quote: "BRs aren't a reqruirement" and I much rather use the words of a gang manager then a group manager.

We have 2 very capable scripters in SAES who can make it like, like I suggested before.

The first PBR you attend will give you 100% payment and every other PBR you attend will give you 5 or 10% payment. That way it is still a good incentive to go. Also a PBR is far more entertaining since you also have a dropoff.
Way more of activity time then the 2:10 BRs JK was doing IMO

Also bring back HLS DE or CLO back to BRs. We all know these groups also have a role within these activities which has been lacking lately.

[SNome]

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[Jay]

@Weppo BRs are absolutely part of a requirement and I don't know why you would be told otherwise.

https://saesrpg.uk/topic/375/gang-level-requirements-rewards

[Bisollini]

@weppo I doubt anyone cares about the BR money in 2021 kek

[sherap2.0]

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

I have to ask you, are you even having fun when you join?

Yes.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

Is it fun for you to camp race flags and stop them from happening?

It is not about fun. It is my role/work... i must prevent illegal events ( SR,BR,Turf,Races) as cop. Fulfill my role is my fun.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

Or would it be more fun if you allowed them to start and chased them during the race?

Racers become " invisible " after the race to start so i cant shoot at their cars. Come in-game to see the real server situation before posting here. You are embarrassing.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

Is it fun for you to see and prevent a BR from ever happening or is it more fun to try and stop it once it starts?

Imagine 5 cops responding to a BR against 25 defenders ( this what is happening nowadays ).Thats why we need to respond before BR to start. Come in-game and you will know it.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

If you camp raceflags then you are stopping 10 people from doing that activity,

It is my role. Should I leave the crims alone in a SR/BR ? No ? The same goes to race flags. If there are 10 racers they can call their friends to kill me while the race doesnt start.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

I am honestly not sure if you are seriously this stupid

Im not disrespecting you so dont disrespect me.

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

But, one thing I am sure of is if this is the attitude that you have then that "pls final chance pls" from your last ban appeal won't work on your next.

I would prefer to be banned than to see mindsets like yours killing the cop side.
" this server ultimately doesn't need cops to survive. " Jay, 2021.

[sherap2.0]

This suggestion cant be accepted. Making crimminal life more easy will attract new players to crim side instead of cop side. We need to focus in cop side improvement to attract newbies to cop life.

[Weppo]

@bisollini said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@weppo I doubt anyone cares about the BR money in 2021 kek

Same but you would still have to consider it when making these types of suggestions

[Weppo]

@jay said in [CHANGE] BR Rules:

@Weppo BRs are absolutely part of a requirement and I don't know why you would be told otherwise.

https://saesrpg.uk/topic/375/gang-level-requirements-rewards

I know this, yet I still got told that it's for the sake of adding something for the media archive like a vip or sr.

Anyhow, this suggestion has not been made with the reason of meeting reqruirements. It's made because crims want the br activity to return. Therefore a pbr is similar enough and hes more acticity to offer compared to a regular br. F