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@Joe isn't about being pussy or not. I have no problems speaking my mind when I see fit, regardless if I'm right or not. For example, I believe @Kain knows that by know. It's just that what I have to say won't bring any new development to this matter.


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@Gengar said in Use of exploits reminder:



Thanks for publicly shaming me. I get it that you wanted me out of the clan and I normally wouldn't even bother posting anything regarding that, I'd just move on with my game and have fun with my friends. But there was no reason whatsoever to shame me like this in front of entire community and that irritated me enough to make this post. Just for the record, I did not try to assist anyone to cover up anything. You have screenshot of the chat, you can clearly see that I advised person involved to cooperate with you guys. The fact that SAES HQ team is twisting everything to suit their own needs is different story. It's no secret that they wanted me out of the clan for quite some time, taking away every bit of access I had with some bullshit excuses with every chance they got. Good for you that you finally found some justification to remove me completely. This announcement alone shows how eager you were. When was the last time you announced clan members who were removed with reasons of their removal? You had people removed from clan because they were deliberately deleting reports of their friends without solving them and none announced anything about that. You had people removed from clan because SAES HQ team has access to read their forum private messages in which, apparently, they were stating their disagreements with some actions from the clan, none ever made announcement regarding that. Let's not mention clan members who were selling benefits on SAES to players for couple of PayPal bucks and some Steam items. And many others who were removed along the way in the past 7 years that I'm here. None ever announced publicly anything about any of them. But hey, let's just shame Gengar and let's ban people. Not only the ones who are abusing (completely fair ban when it comes to them), but also the ones who were just given money from abusers. Since when is it a crime to be on the receiving end of /give command? If you approached the player and asked him to hand you over the money because it came from bug abuse, he would have given it to you without any objection. But no, let's just ban and shame people. Fact that ~[Bone takes money from abusers himself and uses it to sponsor his own events and even buy some fancy properties is no big deal around here. And let's not forget that NanoBob built his own program which automatically inputs numbers for cracking safes in bank robs and gang robs and not only uses it around whenever he likes it, but also distributes it to some other clan members for their own usage. There were times when he was leading his own gang and abusing his access to restart banks in order to use his program, doing a lot more then just 2 bank robs per day]~(red) and yet none ever did anything about it. I guess rules everyone has to follow don't apply once you reach position of SAES HQ.



Damn this is some inside story which i would like to forward to our only remaining two most trusted SAES HQ ever
@Brophy @Ronseal


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@Gengar said in Use of exploits reminder:



Thanks for publicly shaming me. I get it that you wanted me out of the clan and I normally wouldn't even bother posting anything regarding that, I'd just move on with my game and have fun with my friends. But there was no reason whatsoever to shame me like this in front of entire community and that irritated me enough to make this post. Just for the record, I did not try to assist anyone to cover up anything. You have screenshot of the chat, you can clearly see that I advised person involved to cooperate with you guys. The fact that SAES HQ team is twisting everything to suit their own needs is different story. It's no secret that they wanted me out of the clan for quite some time, taking away every bit of access I had with some bullshit excuses with every chance they got. Good for you that you finally found some justification to remove me completely. This announcement alone shows how eager you were. When was the last time you announced clan members who were removed with reasons of their removal? You had people removed from clan because they were deliberately deleting reports of their friends without solving them and none announced anything about that. You had people removed from clan because SAES HQ team has access to read their forum private messages in which, apparently, they were stating their disagreements with some actions from the clan, none ever made announcement regarding that. Let's not mention clan members who were selling benefits on SAES to players for couple of PayPal bucks and some Steam items. And many others who were removed along the way in the past 7 years that I'm here. None ever announced publicly anything about any of them. But hey, let's just shame Gengar and let's ban people. Not only the ones who are abusing (completely fair ban when it comes to them), but also the ones who were just given money from abusers. Since when is it a crime to be on the receiving end of /give command? If you approached the player and asked him to hand you over the money because it came from bug abuse, he would have given it to you without any objection. But no, let's just ban and shame people. Fact that ~[Bone takes money from abusers himself and uses it to sponsor his own events and even buy some fancy properties is no big deal around here. And let's not forget that NanoBob built his own program which automatically inputs numbers for cracking safes in bank robs and gang robs and not only uses it around whenever he likes it, but also distributes it to some other clan members for their own usage. There were times when he was leading his own gang and abusing his access to restart banks in order to use his program, doing a lot more then just 2 bank robs per day]~(red) and yet none ever did anything about it. I guess rules everyone has to follow don't apply once you reach position of SAES HQ.



Damn this is some inside story which i would like to forward to our only remaining two most trusted SAES HQ ever
@Brophy @Ronseal



disappointed for not mentioning @Tombaa :'(


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@Billionaire said in Use of exploits reminder:



@Gengar said in Use of exploits reminder:



Thanks for publicly shaming me. I get it that you wanted me out of the clan and I normally wouldn't even bother posting anything regarding that, I'd just move on with my game and have fun with my friends. But there was no reason whatsoever to shame me like this in front of entire community and that irritated me enough to make this post. Just for the record, I did not try to assist anyone to cover up anything. You have screenshot of the chat, you can clearly see that I advised person involved to cooperate with you guys. The fact that SAES HQ team is twisting everything to suit their own needs is different story. It's no secret that they wanted me out of the clan for quite some time, taking away every bit of access I had with some bullshit excuses with every chance they got. Good for you that you finally found some justification to remove me completely. This announcement alone shows how eager you were. When was the last time you announced clan members who were removed with reasons of their removal? You had people removed from clan because they were deliberately deleting reports of their friends without solving them and none announced anything about that. You had people removed from clan because SAES HQ team has access to read their forum private messages in which, apparently, they were stating their disagreements with some actions from the clan, none ever made announcement regarding that. Let's not mention clan members who were selling benefits on SAES to players for couple of PayPal bucks and some Steam items. And many others who were removed along the way in the past 7 years that I'm here. None ever announced publicly anything about any of them. But hey, let's just shame Gengar and let's ban people. Not only the ones who are abusing (completely fair ban when it comes to them), but also the ones who were just given money from abusers. Since when is it a crime to be on the receiving end of /give command? If you approached the player and asked him to hand you over the money because it came from bug abuse, he would have given it to you without any objection. But no, let's just ban and shame people. Fact that ~[Bone takes money from abusers himself and uses it to sponsor his own events and even buy some fancy properties is no big deal around here. And let's not forget that NanoBob built his own program which automatically inputs numbers for cracking safes in bank robs and gang robs and not only uses it around whenever he likes it, but also distributes it to some other clan members for their own usage. There were times when he was leading his own gang and abusing his access to restart banks in order to use his program, doing a lot more then just 2 bank robs per day]~(red) and yet none ever did anything about it. I guess rules everyone has to follow don't apply once you reach position of SAES HQ.



Damn this is some inside story which i would like to forward to our only remaining two most trusted SAES HQ ever
@Brophy @Ronseal



disappointed for not mentioning @Tombaa :'(



disappointed for not mentioning me after I /give you $500mil in exploited Captain money...


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@Gengar said in Use of exploits reminder:



Thanks for publicly shaming me. I get it that you wanted me out of the clan and I normally wouldn't even bother posting anything regarding that, I'd just move on with my game and have fun with my friends. But there was no reason whatsoever to shame me like this in front of entire community and that irritated me enough to make this post. Just for the record, I did not try to assist anyone to cover up anything. You have screenshot of the chat, you can clearly see that I advised person involved to cooperate with you guys. The fact that SAES HQ team is twisting everything to suit their own needs is different story. It's no secret that they wanted me out of the clan for quite some time, taking away every bit of access I had with some bullshit excuses with every chance they got. Good for you that you finally found some justification to remove me completely. This announcement alone shows how eager you were. When was the last time you announced clan members who were removed with reasons of their removal? You had people removed from clan because they were deliberately deleting reports of their friends without solving them and none announced anything about that. You had people removed from clan because SAES HQ team has access to read their forum private messages in which, apparently, they were stating their disagreements with some actions from the clan, none ever made announcement regarding that. Let's not mention clan members who were selling benefits on SAES to players for couple of PayPal bucks and some Steam items. And many others who were removed along the way in the past 7 years that I'm here. None ever announced publicly anything about any of them. But hey, let's just shame Gengar and let's ban people. Not only the ones who are abusing (completely fair ban when it comes to them), but also the ones who were just given money from abusers. Since when is it a crime to be on the receiving end of /give command? If you approached the player and asked him to hand you over the money because it came from bug abuse, he would have given it to you without any objection. But no, let's just ban and shame people. Fact that Bone takes money from abusers himself and uses it to sponsor his own events and even buy some fancy properties is no big deal around here. And let's not forget that NanoBob built his own program which automatically inputs numbers for cracking safes in bank robs and gang robs and not only uses it around whenever he likes it, but also distributes it to some other clan members for their own usage. There were times when he was leading his own gang and abusing his access to restart banks in order to use his program, doing a lot more then just 2 bank robs per day and yet none ever did anything about it. I guess rules everyone has to follow don't apply once you reach position of SAES HQ.



I love that its finally coming out. Since my time in staff I have known that bullshit like this was occurring, especially the Masterwind thing which was being ignored and than eventually came out. I 100% agree @Gengar same bullshit was used to push me out as Lance and some other clan members did not like me. So they used any shitty excuse and exaggerated it to get me out of staff and convinced community members to hate me through lies and deception.


Just like real life to be honest, the people who set the rules can never follow them.


Sad to see you get pushed out like that man.


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I had no intention to reply to anyone here but seeing your post joshbond,... I couldn't help myself but laugh.


You claim that Lance and some other members did not like you and that's why you were removed. If Lance and 'those other members' had such great influence as you say then you would have never been in the Staff team in the first place if they didnt want you in.


May I remind you you were the most reported Staff member back then. The amount of reports you had against you in your short run is still more than the amount of reports I have against me, Tombaa, Bone, Magnus, Kenny (you name them all) all combined in the 9 years we have been here. And those reports were issued by players, not SAES members nor SAES HQ.


You were a fine player but once you got your pannel you totally changed. You became the most hated Staff member and player in general back then, you used to call people name and insult them in order to provoke them, and once they reply you mute them. Most of what you did was spawn staff and wait for someone to say something non-english in chat so you can mute them for hours. You used to jail people for punching your car. You used to spectate people you didn't like 24/7, waiting for them to do anything so you can jail them.


You have had more than one chance to work on your attitude, but you always failed, and enough was enough.


I personally do not have any problem with you now, but back then, you were the worst, so please don't try to be a victim now.


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@master said in Use of exploits reminder:



I had no intention to reply to anyone here but seeing your post joshbond,... I couldn't help myself but laugh.


You claim that Lance and some other members did not like you and that's why you were removed. If Lance and 'those other members' had such great influence as you say then you would have never been in the Staff team in the first place if they didnt want you in.


May I remind you you were the most reported Staff member back then. The amount of reports you had against you in your short run is still more than the amount of reports I have against me, Tombaa, Bone, Magnus, Kenny (you name them all) all combined in the 9 years we have been here. And those reports were issued by players, not SAES members nor SAES HQ.


You were a fine player but once you got your pannel you totally changed. You became the most hated Staff member and player in general back then, you used to call people name and insult them in order to provoke them, and once they reply you mute them. Most of what you did was spawn staff and wait for someone to say something non-english in chat so you can mute them for hours. You used to jail people for punching your car. You used to spectate people you didn't like 24/7, waiting for them to do anything so you can jail them.


You have had more than one chance to work on your attitude, but you always failed, and enough was enough.


I personally do not have any problem with you now, but back then, you were the worst, so please don't try to be a victim now.



This is what I mean by deception and lies Master. 99% of what you say is not true. I never spent hours spawned as staff waiting for people 'to not speak English'. That is a complete lie. I would warn people plenty of times before doing so, which was usual procedure. Unlike now, you dont even get warnings..


I would never mute for hours, maximum 20 minutes as that was standard procedure. I would never spectate people for hours as whats the point? I would only spectate those who were reported by other players. Jailing people for punching my car? Are you for fucking real, you seriously believe that? I used to have Boston nade my car all the time? I still did not jail him all the time because its a game and everyone was having fun.


All of the above are the sort of fucking lies that people like you believed.


I would like to remind that when I asked Lance for proof of the reports and what was said in them, he would refuse to show evidence. Everything that Lance asked me to do I done. He said to give people 3 chances instead of 1 or 2. So I did. Lance said to mute people for a maximum of 10 minutes instead of 20, so I did. He said to spawn staff more to get your hours in, so I did. But now I am being accused of just camping in staff spawn to jail people.


Just proves all the bullshit that occurs.


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@master said in Use of exploits reminder:



I had no intention to reply to anyone here but seeing your post joshbond,... I couldn't help myself but laugh.


You claim that Lance and some other members did not like you and that's why you were removed. If Lance and 'those other members' had such great influence as you say then you would have never been in the Staff team in the first place if they didnt want you in.


May I remind you you were the most reported Staff member back then. The amount of reports you had against you in your short run is still more than the amount of reports I have against me, Tombaa, Bone, Magnus, Kenny (you name them all) all combined in the 9 years we have been here. And those reports were issued by players, not SAES members nor SAES HQ.


You were a fine player but once you got your pannel you totally changed. You became the most hated Staff member and player in general back then, you used to call people name and insult them in order to provoke them, and once they reply you mute them. Most of what you did was spawn staff and wait for someone to say something non-english in chat so you can mute them for hours. You used to jail people for punching your car. You used to spectate people you didn't like 24/7, waiting for them to do anything so you can jail them.


You have had more than one chance to work on your attitude, but you always failed, and enough was enough.


I personally do not have any problem with you now, but back then, you were the worst, so please don't try to be a victim now.



This is what I mean by deception and lies Master. 99% of what you say is not true. I never spent hours spawned as staff waiting for people 'to not speak English'. That is a complete lie. I would warn people plenty of times before doing so, which was usual procedure. Unlike now, you dont even get warnings..


I would never mute for hours, maximum 20 minutes as that was standard procedure. I would never spectate people for hours as whats the point? I would only spectate those who were reported by other players. Jailing people for punching my car? Are you for fucking real, you seriously believe that? I used to have Boston nade my car all the time? I still did not jail him all the time because its a game and everyone was having fun.


All of the above are the sort of fucking lies that people like you believed.


I would like to remind that when I asked Lance for proof of the reports and what was said in them, he would refuse to show evidence. Everything that Lance asked me to do I done. He said to give people 3 chances instead of 1 or 2. So I did. Lance said to mute people for a maximum of 10 minutes instead of 20, so I did. He said to spawn staff more to get your hours in, so I did. But now I am being accused of just camping in staff spawn to jail people.


Just proves all the bullshit that occurs.



like Master i had no intention to reply on this topic to avoid flame wars and useless long talks, but guess i have to at this point. i'm not sure if you forgot, josh, or just want to hide the past, but sadly your past as a staff wasn't bright at all as you claim.


we both were selected at the same rec to become staff members. since the day you got your panel you did change a lot, you seemed to have lost your temper, had a salty attitude, seemed angry all the time, and started to get into fights with a lot of people (even within the staff team) for the silliest of reasons. then the reports about you started piling and you were warned more than once but you never listened.


and to prove my claim i brought some screenshots from the old staff forums (all names & data that needs to be hidden were hidden)


1- when one of the old CS leaders was talking to you about reports he had on you and how abusive you were with your mutes, this was how you took it:
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2- a fellow clan/staff member reacting to your attitude :
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3- you "raging" again and then being warned -again- by a CS leader about your way of handling things:
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4- this is you acknowledging having many reports on you :
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5- this is you actually muting someone for 1 hour :
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6- and these are reactions of other Staff/Clan members right after your removal from the team :
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this all happened nearly 5 years ago so maybe you forgot how bad you were. but past is past and i confirm you've matured and grown up a lot ever since, the person you are today is totally different from those times.


i am not here to talk about the reasons of your kick, maybe you had problems with a certain HQ that led to the kick out of the team? maybe there were other reasons? i don't know the whole truth nor interested to discuss it here. but all i know is that at that time you were too stubborn and way too strict and sadly couldn't -at the time- handle your powers. and please understand its not my intention to defame you in any way by this post, in fact this post is in your own favor as it does prove how good have you changed from the guy in the screens to the respected person we see today. my sole intention is just making things clear for you and for whoever is interested in the case that removing you from the team 5 years ago did actually have it's reasons ... maybe unlike someone else who was removed, but that is another story


cheers


edit: removed spoilers since they are bugged


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