[DISCUSSION] Economy Reset

[Howlze]

Hi everyone.

In the past, we've had a topic about a potential economic reset, and whether people would still play or not. A lot of people voted, that they'd stay, however; a large margin also said that they would potentially leave. I understand why people are afraid of an economic reset, as this includes starting completely over. However, in my opinion, resetting the economy would help the longevity of the server a lot. It's hard bringing in new people - I understand the process of making money in SAES' current state might not be considered hard - however; I would have a hard time starting on the server with an empty bank account, an empty disk (no vehicles and no guns), meanwhile seeing people have everything; $250,000,000 in their bank account, an unlimited supply of guns, and every single vehicle modded to its fullest.

I don't want your years of working for what you have today to just be gone. What I think is, that we should have some sort of compensation for being reset, if you've been playing on here for a long time this could be some sort of experience system, where we introduced a skill leveling system, where the higher level you get the more bonuses you get. This could be: having an increased salary for civilian jobs or having cheaper purchases in properties, vehicles, vehicle upgrades, and more of that sort. However, we can talk more about this in case this becomes a reality.

The reset should be planned with introducing revamps and new scripts, which would make it harder to gain money. It should not be as easy as it is today. With the current state we are in, you can make $2-3 million a day from being a trucker, or making upwards of $5M+ by being a criminal doing bank robberies and store robberies.

This isn't just a: reset the economy, done idea. This needs to be properly planned with the introduction of changes to current scripts, and also introducing new scripts that would help keep the economy to a more natural and realistic level.

Starting completely over would result in the following:

1. Everyone is fair and square


2. All properties will be back on sale (perhaps discussing whether organizations should keep their bases)


3. All vehicles should be revamped to a more natural state

This would mean that we are all on the same path, we are all going to hoard making money (which includes more activity on the server =/= more longevity of the server. People would try to make quick cash so they could get the property they've been wanting for a long time (which, in some cases, is currently impossible due to the state of the economy. Have a look at houses in Ghost Town, those sell for $100M+).

In my opinion, this would only be a positive thing for the server; don't get me wrong, I may not love the idea of starting from scratch, I do, however, also just see the positive aspect of doing this. This could also potentially include more activity for events, groups and general activity on the server.

Back in the day you could host a $500,000 event and 50+ people would show up - people don't even show up for $2,000,000 events nowadays (because they already have an endless amount of money).

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Keep in mind that the current state of the economy includes the denying of so many potential great scripts. Here's an idea the Secret Service has had, but this couldn't really be done due to what the economy is today.

Money Laundering Script now this is not an easy one. What I believe is that people who rob the bank should not get 'clean' money but instead get 'dirty' money. This money is then required to be laundered through a process. How this could work is that every person on the server has two amounts of money. Clean money is used for regular things like buying cars, food, and alike. Then, we have dirty money, which cannot be used until it is cleaned through the "money laundering" process.
So, to do this process, you need to head to a specific area in San Andreas, which is randomly generated every 2 hours, and that is where criminals can clean their dirty money. However, you cannot just do it all in one big lump. It has to be done in small batches; otherwise, an alarm is raised, 'which acts as some agency (SS) has spotted the bank transfers which look suspicious). The Secret Service can then respond to this.
If criminals decide not to do this, they can do small batches which goes undetected, however, if Secret Service agents are 'patrolling' and find people to be money laundering they can put a stop to it by interfering. If any dirty money has gathered by the Secret Service Agents, they have to take it back to their headquarters for quarantine and processing. If, during transit, criminals catch up and kill the Secret Service agents, the dirty money will drop, and they can pick it up. This opens up a lot more fun for criminals and the Secret Service.
Regular Cops will not be allowed to patrol around for money laundering; however, on Secret Service request, they can assist with delivering the dirty money safely back to Secret Service headquarters.

This makes earning money from BR more difficult as currently, it is just too easy.
This also brings SS into the gaming system, so we are not just relying on the government for activity.

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Please, don't just post saying "I agree" or "No, I don't agree" - take a few minutes, think about the actual outcome of this, and post on here with a constructive message, including proper details to your answer.

Let's get a chat going about this, let's see what your opinion is.

[Howlze]

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[TaaviLaudur]

too much effort, thats a no

[Crash]

aint just a simple resert that will solve stuff as in 2 months we will back to the same stage
Once bone even shared on a topic similar to this how much money was being spawned from jobs montly and i think it was around 2B
So this means that in a couple of months we would need to do the same thing because economy would be fucked once again , following a reset we would need to have money incomes reduced by alot (currently even as civilian takes you a couple of hours to buy a SGT -8M car)

[Howlze]

@Crash said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

aint just a simple resert that will solve stuff as in 2 months we will back to the same stage
Once bone even shared on a topic similar to this how much money was being spawned from jobs montly and i think it was around 2B
So this means that in a couple of months we would need to do the same thing because economy would be fucked once again , following a reset we would need to have money incomes reduced by alot (currently even as civilian takes you a couple of hours to buy a SGT -8M car)

No, read my thread in its entirety. The reset should be planned with introducing revamps and new scripts, which would make it harder to gain money. It should not be as easy as it is today. In the current state we are in, you can make $2-3 million a day from being a trucker, or making upwards of $5M+ by being a criminal doing bank robberies and store robberies.

This isn't just a: reset the economy, done idea. This needs to be properly planned with the introduction of changes to current scripts, and also introducing new scripts that would help keep the economy to a more natural and realistic level.

[Filex]

There are other things more than the economy that will encourage ppl to leave

[Markus]

let me keep my supra pls

[Escobar-R5]

I would like to comment on trucker work you earn 8k per trip + illegally you have to pay fuel and raparations that the police officer instead of arresting you burns the truck and claims him and tells you that no roleplay I only have 2k left since the illegal cargo has dropped a lot such truck work is very annoying that the police always burn your truck.

[Crash]

@Zach7 said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

I would like to comment on trucker work you earn 8k per trip + illegally you have to pay fuel and raparations that the police officer instead of arresting you burns the truck and claims him and tells you that no roleplay I only have 2k left since the illegal cargo has dropped a lot such truck work is very annoying that the police always burn your truck.

Dont do illigal loads?
Also once you get to 300 loads you payment goes up to a max of 41k for the trip of BC DE base to SF Naval Base
I heard some other routs got improved but i belive this one still got the most money per min.
Also many people forgot about farmer but you can make around 1M in 45min or less if you use the farm area near ALT base since the rout to the delivery zone is pretty easy and got plenty of shortcuts .

[kipt]

Close the server > Add a few fancy new things > Change the name to SAES 2.0 > Open the server

[Filex]

@kipt said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

Close the server > Add a few fancy new things > Change the name to SAES 2.0 > Open the server

Dont you realize yet that ppl dont play saes for its gamemodes or features its deeper than that

[Tilong]

@Filex said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

@kipt said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

Close the server > Add a few fancy new things > Change the name to SAES 2.0 > Open the server

Dont you realize yet that ppl dont play saes for its gamemodes or features its deeper than that

I couldn't have said it any better than that. I see a lot of my discussions with howlzer in this, kudo's topic is well put. See the one thing that has to happen every single item that pays money out needs to be a readjusted, that includes weapons cars houses criminal payout police payouts and trucking payouts. There is a lot of things that have to happen first. I am willing to discuss my ideas on this subject matter, I support a reset but done with new players and old players in mind.

Let's please truly discuss the options, because I really do enjoy being able to turn on SAES whatever I want and if we do not save the longevity of the server donations will fall away, and one day the inevitable will happen. But if we can repair the economy, and the dominos might fall in our favor. if anyone wants to have a serious conversation with me outside of the board you can contact me on discord as well, but I definitely personally would like to be a part of the planning in a reset

[Howlze]

@Tilong said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

@Filex said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

@kipt said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

Close the server > Add a few fancy new things > Change the name to SAES 2.0 > Open the server

Dont you realize yet that ppl dont play saes for its gamemodes or features its deeper than that

I couldn't have said it any better than that. I see a lot of my discussions with howlzer in this, kudo's topic is well put. See the one thing that has to happen every single item that pays money out needs to be a readjusted, that includes weapons cars houses criminal payout police payouts and trucking payouts. There is a lot of things that have to happen first. I am willing to discuss my ideas on this subject matter, I support a reset but done with new players and old players in mind.

Let's please truly discuss the options, because I really do enjoy being able to turn on SAES whatever I want and if we do not save the longevity of the server donations will fall away, and one day the inevitable will happen. But if we can repair the economy, and the dominos might fall in our favor. if anyone wants to have a serious conversation with me outside of the board you can contact me on discord as well, but I definitely personally would like to be a part of the planning in a reset

I completely agree. Just sad to see people don't realize that obviously it has to be taken into consideration that proper measures have to be taken. Everything has to be revamped. A great idea to this is to add a form of "task force" that prepares everything for a future reset, that should be, but not limited to:

• review every job in the game


• every way of making money


• every way of spending money

[Tilong]

A compensation system will definitely have to be there too reward the long-term players who have worked their asses off to gain the fortunes. And it will definitely have to be something new

[ESO]

(^ camels will relate)

in more seriousness tho i respect the efforts made in this topic but i disagree for multiple reasons, but to keep things short lets just say the main point -apart from the tons of scripting it requires when we already have a "super busy" scripting team- is that this would still lead to same current situation some point in the future. raising the prices of everything could be more useful than this imo and it shouldn't be a problem or affect new players since "money is so easy to make" as you guys say

[Tilong]

Yeah but inflating an economy to correct an error doesn't even work in real life, and only hurts the poor. I don't think it will truly work in the game. There is alternatives

I'm not saying not to do it because it will be useful in a few years when we do run into problems, but inflating the economy anymore and not doing anything else is not going to help the problem

[Siirtuga]

hmm nein for me its not fair in my opinion for the people who have expensive business/ houses

[Gengar]

Good way to flush the economy a bit would be to add taxes on money owned system where you would have to pay % of your total money as tax for having money. Same % for all players, as example, let's say 10% (too much, I know, but just example). If someone has 400mils, he would loose 40mils by the end of the day, while someone with 30k in his bank account would loose 3k.

Second idea I have in mind is pay tools in between all 3 islands, which would be payed whenever player crosses from one island to another. Price would not be in $, but in % of total money you have in your bank account. Making air borders as well, which would remove required money from us in events of crossing from 1 island to another with aircraft, or by water.

I used to be in favor of economy reset when it was discussed before, but now I'm not so sure about it. It's not that I'm afraid of loosing my stuff, I don't have anything worth worrying about. It's just that I don't see how the reset and implementation of any new economy script would prevent us reaching this same position we are in now. Now, to not force some long term players out of the server who said they would leave if economy would reset, which I would also hate to see, I think better solution is to implement stuff which we are all kind of forced to use, such as pay tools, which charge us based on money we have. So if someone has 900mils, he would have to pay a lot more then someone who has 500k. This doesn't have to be pay tools only. It can be weapons from both ammunation and dealers, upgrades in mod shops, custom cars from Nano shop, fuel on gas stations, repairs of cars. You know, stuff every player uses every day.

[Rimuru]

At least make it worthy for people that lost theirs money and properties. Maybe special spawn for old player? But this idea will take lot of work for scripting and mapping... I want this thing, well you know current active playing is like 300+ maximum while the properties owner is 1000+ most of them is inactive and unworthy properties will abandoned... While new player, most of them dont even know the forum or how to request properties and willing to pay high price for rubbish prop... But we must consider how hard Admin work and how much time will this take... For me, if admin willing to do this, i will agree at least

And my hope if this accepted is, old player will stay and we got more player here

[Rimuru]

@Gengar about the money tax, it was bad idea... That will make everyone create their own personal gang only to store their money

[Bunny]

I was thinking about makinh the jasom event back, but with mob gangsters instead. You have to pay x amount of cash so he spawns. The reward would be guns, having a chance to drop rpg and satchels

Economy resets only works if we have sinks for it.

[kipt]

@Filex said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

@kipt said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

Close the server > Add a few fancy new things > Change the name to SAES 2.0 > Open the server

Dont you realize yet that ppl dont play saes for its gamemodes or features its deeper than that

That's the goddamn point, you dumbo. By calling it SAES 2.0 many old players will come around to see what it changed and if they don't see at least one single flashy new little script they'll just go back to hibernate faster than you can open an HTML tag.

And I've said this before but I have no problem repeating it. People usually want change but when such change comes they bitch around asking for the old stuff back.

Also, I know that SAES 'problems' go way beyond resources. But a plain economy reset it will do more harm than good, imo.

[Bartman]

also duo to old players fighted since years to finally buy some casino/groove street house/gt etc... (its not just about money), i would reccomend players allowed keep atleast 3 houses + ~15% money from bank/cars/guns. i mean if someone played saes from 2009, shouldnt loose completlyeverything.

but besides this, as crime you dont get that easy 5mills just from sr/br, 1 sucesfully sr =40k, each ~20mins one sr = 80k/houer, lets say you play 4h only sr, thats 320k. + one own gang br = ~150k + one pbr = 200k + ~4 brs helping = ~200k, thats all for a playtime of ~5h/day like ~880k. and only if you do all the shit efficient, also almost never arrest, every sr coming & at brs going to get money instead deffending. minus money for guns & repairing cars. 5mills from brs was earlyer possible, nowdays u get more at pbr than your own gang br, just as little info from crimeside how it really worke @Howlze

[Silence]

everyone including their dog knows that people log in for the community and the social aspect of it. no one in the right mind sits here and hustles money in the year almost 2020.

everyone has everything, and there is no motivation other than the old friends on the server to log in for.

if the economy was to undergo a hard reset.. and every single job adjusted accordingly.. and a realistic tax system.. and ways to flush out money properly, so we don't end up with inflation again.. aaaand lastly everyone would start from 0 - i could see this work. but its hard.

now - you would log in for the old friends on the server... and have additional motivation to play because you don't have anything. i get that some people may get the idea that, well if you remove all my stuff it's going to demotivate players, but i think you underestimate the competition aspect this would bring.

who gets the first super gt with the adjusted economy? who gets to be the first millionare, who gets the expensive props. which gang/squad is the richest? it would be crazy to finally see some point in playing again.

but this 'economy reset' idea has been on the table for eons already, and i seriously doubt anything would happen with it. bone has already been in on this for a long time aswell, and he put it nicely that it takes a lot of effort and time to do this major change.

[Howlze]

@Silence said in [DISCUSSION] Economy Reset:

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LEADERBOARDS

• First millionaire


• First to own a property


• First to mod a vehicle in NanoShop

... And the list goes on.

We are, most of us anyway, competitive people. We like being number one, we like being the first to accomplish something; it's natural human habits. The opportunities in case of an economy reset are endless.