The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.

  • @Jay

    That’s what I’m tryna tell you. Everybody be tripping maaaaayneeee

  • @Ethan said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    Numpad used when calculating donations:

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    when stand-up
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  • I'm open to take questions or suggestions from members of the community (as long as I haven't already repeatedly answered them) so message me on #general in SAES discord or via DM (if you prefer private).

    Unfortunately, nobody will be beholden to burner accounts or faceless accusations.

    I'll leave the topic open for people who still want to "discuss", but I won't be following the topic..

  • Yeah his account already got banned @Brophy so rip

  • CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE K PANEL ?!?!?!? @Terry

  • @Anderson09 said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    CAN WE TALK ABOUT THE K PANEL ?!?!?!?

    It is kinda bs that you can see every criminals location (ofcourse not clo or in interiors ) but the main point is that it shouldn't allow to give everyone's location. what could be possible is a dispatch call about someone where you have to use the "k" panel in order to get to him and not instantly show their locations which is total dogshit.

  • @Moley or at least just a zone of where he is not the correct exact location of the guy , its so easy for cops to know what we are doing at any moment while we are playing ...

  • our saver is and would for sure be Ghost722. that guy has more ideas for the gameplay than anyone . he would make the game so much better with his ideas @Ghost722nd

  • @Brophy said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    I'm open to take questions or suggestions from members of the community (as long as I haven't already repeatedly answered them) so message me on #general in SAES discord or via DM (if you prefer private).

    Unfortunately, nobody will be beholden to burner accounts or faceless accusations.

    I'll leave the topic open for people who still want to "discuss", but I won't be following the topic..

    Hello, It’s me again. Normally I’d agree with you Brophy, responding to burner accounts is usually not something you should do but that’s also because burner accounts usually post selfish topics or destructive topics but that’s not me.

    I’d like to think of my topic as the voice of the community, as you’ve seen I’ve got quite a lot of support and you still chose to ignore that. I honestly find that appalling and should be a prime example of how much you actually care about SAES.

    You call what I say “faceless accusations” but this is literally what everybody is thinking and yet you still don’t give a shit. It might not be the face of one but it is the face of many

    If you don’t want to respond to “me” specially then that’s okay but why not do the community a favor and respond to them instead. I can’t fathom that you would ignore so many people. I hope you realize your mistake in time.

    Side notes about people’s comments

    I don’t really have anything else to say than this. SAES will continue down its path of bullshit and bias if nothing is changed. I could probably fit a lot more adjectives into that sentence but that’s not necessary to get the point across. The clan will continue to do as they see fit without much regard for the quality of the server and Brophy will do what he does best, sit back and let the server continue as is, just so he can keep the money flowing without any inconvenience.

    Yours truly, a now unhopeful SAES player.

  • You aint the face of the community fool just another potatohead which has his eyes on the donation money

    SAES hisself comfirmed to stop developement at the main server which was said in 2016 with the anounce of Project KATLA. Since then only update done was 1.5 by Mega9.

    Right now SAES continues the words they said at 2016 by denying script suggestions and keeping nanobob head of the developement team.

    SAES has had enough developers and chances to strive further with Jokilla, TheK and X11 as scripters all got set aside with the release of project KATLA and the said stop of the developement of the current server.

    The developement of saes has officialy stopped since 2016 (comfirmed by saes team) there was no point in this topic because as brophy said he answered your questions earlier 4 years ago. SAES stopped the developement themselves without listening to the community and you impornesating as the face of the community won't open it

  • Next point on the agenda is transparency. SAES has a severe lack of transparency and bias. Sushi is a great example of this. It might be that Sushi is a relative of Ronseal but why should that grant her admin and membership in DE immediately?

    Hello, i will speak in the name of DE,

    Sushi being DE has nothing todo with SAES HQ or she being the daughter of Ronseal. In fact that means 0 to me or any DEHQ.

    You are right in one thing, she is SAES. And i myself currently leading DE i do give SAES> members to opportunity to join DE if they wish. I simply follow an old habit there used to be where SAES members could choose between CLO / DE, now only DE still does that and it is not something i am going to change.

    I do give SAES members the chance of joining DE if they want , and i gave it to Sushi and she accepted.

  • In other words patrol is a simp

  • Wow, get got banned again...
    we live in a society that Admins doesn't want people to talk so they ban them

  • @fenter said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    Wow, get got banned again...
    we live in a society that Admins doesn't want people to talk so they ban them

    No, the account was banned for being a secondary which we don't allow.
    The ban issued has no relation to the post's contents, only the fact that it's a secondary account that is now using our forums where not allowed.

  • whatever you do, don't let @Filex join the dev team

  • Just you to note, a freelance MTA scripter would cost you 20-50$ maximum to make for you a totally new script. That's because we are talking about MTA/Lua and that's where the cheapest things happen. There are so many scripters in the MTA community willing to work for pennies, you can check them out as well.

    However, I am sure SAES Dev team is well-aware of this and they maybe have a proper reason of not hiring an outsider to fix the things. Maybe the plan is to hire a trusted and non-retarded developer which can be a community admin at the same time?

    Obviously, it is very rare to find a non-retarded MTA developer nowadays. Just look at this topic and see how many people are trying to get use of this conversation and see potential to get inside the clan.

    Nevertheless, it is not impossible to find someone when it comes to money. Temporary problems can be solved with freelance devs and then we have our own developers to monitor and keep the things on track.

  • it seems like everyone is focusing on money. It doesn't have to be about money and donations. Just add the things that people voted for in "suggestions" topic.. lol don't complicate things

  • Here's my two cents.

    1. Hire a freelance scripter
      -- This is not "just" possible, the scripter has to take the other scripts into account, as well as the current scripts are mostly a shit show due to being coded YEARS ago (multiple developers have stated this). You cannot just hire an outsider to do a job, that he has no knowledge about - hiring him would also include in SAES having to go through the older scripts with him, as well as potentially (?) even handing him the other scripts, so he could get a jist of what to do, and how to do it - big no-no for an outsider.

    2. What about all the donation money?!
      -- I'm going to be very rough in my words - like it or not. What half of you either 16 year olds (or: people with no understanding for money, because you either, a) live at home, or b) don't have any financial stability) understand, is that there's up times, and there's down times. SAES has surely encountered multiple down times over the years, as donations have not been rolling in at the same volume as they have been for the past year (two?). Understand that there has to be a steady balance in income before you can start adding onto the expenses. At the end of the day, SAES is probably still figuratively in a minus (they are not, as Brophy, RonSeal and the rest of the original team paid out of their own pockets), due to the years of lack of donations, and the high volume of expenses.


    I have made a rough draft of what circa the expenses are alongside the donations between 2018 and 2020, which paints a great picture of what I am talking about:

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    As you can see above, in 2018 the expenses outweighed the donations by approximately $3,581.94, that means, that the past donations had to cover for the loss of that year. You can't "just" get rid of expenses, the dedicated server is VERY powerful, requires A LOT of resources hence the estimated price. In 2020 SAES received a very high amount of donations (currently, as of today), which totals at $6,246.20, however, calculating with the loss of 2018, they are still missing $1,780.24 to even go neutral in donations. Where are they supposed to get $100, $200 or even $500 to cover the costs of a scripter?

    I don't blame you guys for not taking all this into account, as you're all still quite young (most of you), and you don't have a full understanding of how economy works, hereunder expenses and income.

    Let me just repeat myself; this is my two cents, you may have a different vision or opinion than me, and that is fine, if we all agreed on absolutely everything, then this world would be a very boring place.

  • @Assassin said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    Just you to note, a freelance MTA scripter would cost you 20-50$ maximum to make for you a totally new script. That's because we are talking about MTA/Lua and that's where the cheapest things happen. There are so many scripters in the MTA community willing to work for pennies, you can check them out as well.

    • 20-50$ whoever takes that much is either a bad developer or a cheap developer (just ask @JohnTurner how much he would get if he get requested to work on a core resources), from people i know that are respected developers within the community, the cheapest you can find for a fully functionning single resource will go around 40$+, negociations can help to get a lower price, but we are speaking about a whole core which is old, but also a matter of fact which i personally noticed from a personal visual and practical experience, someone who will work on refactoring an old code base will take lot more than working on a new one atleast that's what i would do or people that i know would do.

    • Interest, most of developers are moving from MTA looking into bigger goals since MTA lasts as a hobby after all even for it's developers, finding someone who will take SAES as a job and keep it's maintenance will be rare and rarity means a higher cost.

    • Plus, for an old/respected community like SAES i don't think going through small developers (cheaper cost) to go and work on core resources will be possible and for "respected" developers i don't think the cost will be affordable.

    • In addition to the previous argument working on saes resources won't be possible for a random developer unless he gets trained to ensure his skills, that's why roles like Contributor (PENsource previously) exist for most of people that ever wanted to script for SAES.

    • I agree that change should happen feature wise but i also tend to be realistic, everyone wants to see a better SAES (something @Adistar and @NanoBob can agree on sarcastic ) but how/when/where needs some deeper discussions taking all factors in count.

    @jamal2 said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    whatever you do, don't let @Filex join the dev team

    I'm not a developer, i'm a creative smd 😗 :harriot:

  • @Howlze said in The big flaws in SAES, time for a change.:

    Here's my two cents.

    1. Hire a freelance scripter
      -- This is not "just" possible, the scripter has to take the other scripts into account, as well as the current scripts are mostly a shit show due to being coded YEARS ago (multiple developers have stated this). You cannot just hire an outsider to do a job, that he has no knowledge about - hiring him would also include in SAES having to go through the older scripts with him, as well as potentially (?) even handing him the other scripts, so he could get a jist of what to do, and how to do it - big no-no for an outsider.

    2. What about all the donation money?!
      -- I'm going to be very rough in my words - like it or not. What half of you either 16 year olds (or: people with no understanding for money, because you either, a) live at home, or b) don't have any financial stability) understand, is that there's up times, and there's down times. SAES has surely encountered multiple down times over the years, as donations have not been rolling in at the same volume as they have been for the past year (two?). Understand that there has to be a steady balance in income before you can start adding onto the expenses. At the end of the day, SAES is probably still figuratively in a minus (they are not, as Brophy, RonSeal and the rest of the original team paid out of their own pockets), due to the years of lack of donations, and the high volume of expenses.


    I have made a rough draft of what circa the expenses are alongside the donations between 2018 and 2020, which paints a great picture of what I am talking about:

    alt text

    As you can see above, in 2018 the expenses outweighed the donations by approximately $3,581.94, that means, that the past donations had to cover for the loss of that year. You can't "just" get rid of expenses, the dedicated server is VERY powerful, requires A LOT of resources hence the estimated price. In 2020 SAES received a very high amount of donations (currently, as of today), which totals at $6,246.20, however, calculating with the loss of 2018, they are still missing $1,780.24 to even go neutral in donations. Where are they supposed to get $100, $200 or even $500 to cover the costs of a scripter?

    I don't blame you guys for not taking all this into account, as you're all still quite young (most of you), and you don't have a full understanding of how economy works, hereunder expenses and income.

    Let me just repeat myself; this is my two cents, you may have a different vision or opinion than me, and that is fine, if we all agreed on absolutely everything, then this world would be a very boring place.

    And that's why I'll keep donating, not much but I'll keep doing that as long as SAES is alive.

    Despite all the issues in the community, I think, all people that contributed to SAES in terms of scripting/server-issue/money-issue etc., they all deserve to get paid or thanked or rewarded in a way. At least a good thank you from the community. #When was the last time someone made a topic thanking SAES? Or someone that has put thousand of hours of his personal life to make this server and community better? Maybe this is the topic where this should be noted. It takes dedication, heart & passion.

    Again, forget where we're at and all the issues there have been, it's 2020, clearly someone cares about this community. You think they can't close all of this down? It can all be shutdown in minutes and everything is gone.

    Thank you to all SAES guys that have contributed to this amazing community in some shape or form. I say happy420, to another 20 more years. :harriot: