Posts made by Joshbond

@leo said in THIS IS NOT FAIR:

I know this is unfair. We all were in this situtation. But there's nothing we can do. It was a big hit for your squad reputation,but you can't change past so focus on future!

Now Leo what you have wrote makes sense and is actually one of the few decent comments I see. So well done sir.

This is the frustrating thing that because of this poor act from this particular staff, our squads rep has been effected when we done nothing wrong. But it has happened before and we will get through it as ICE dont give up.

@starwars said in THIS IS NOT FAIR:

They've donated so much, they want special treatment of course @Brophy.

I think your comment is very immature and obnoxious. Think you might even have slight jealousy there.

James has every right to be frustrated due to what happened. You would be frustrated too @StarWars if it happened to you.

We know donations dont give us any 'special treatment' nor do we seek it at all. We at ICE are fair people and understand that. We have donated to simply help the server. So instead of insulting someone who has donated a lot to help the server so you can play on it. Show a little respect instead!

@teddy said in THIS IS NOT FAIR:

As a clan we trust our community staff with the powers they have been given (obviously including adminjail) and we expect them to exercise those powers with fairness and transparency. SAES HQ has regular oversight of community staff including the logs of all their actions with their panels, so claims of abuse could be minimised.

As part of our trust, we allow community staff to handle reports without the need to justify themselves to a clan member or on the forums, mainly because we receive well over 100 reports a day and this would simply be impractical. The report system can take up a very large proportion of server resources (especially screenshots) and cause lag, so we try to solve reports as soon as possible and we do not keep reports saved after deletion for any hypothetical 'appeal'

As a general rule, police should avoid opening the red door in the first place, however as far as I am aware the report was deemed legitimate because all of your nametags (Sam, you, MrDeath and another ICE) were on the screenshot as near the door, as well as a criminal inside, so it was seen as letting criminals out.

If you would like to report a community staff for abuse of power or for severely misjudging reports you can PM @Magnus who leads the CS from HQ or someone on the CS leadership team ( @Gengar)

@Teddy @Magnus

Teddy I understand that SAES entrust their CS members to use their powers fairly and correctly. I am someone out of most who has learnt this and suffered the consequences of this over my SAES career.

However today is different. The situation that lead to ICE and other squad members being jailed is not something mentioned in the F1 rules. So first of all it is not a violation of the server rules. 2nd of all, their was no attempt to communicate with these squad members. They were just immediately admin jailed.

Now Teddy, during my staff days, jailing without communication is something that should not be done by any staff. I was warned on a few occasions for admin jailing someone on the spot without communication, by SAES HQ members. So has this logic now changed? If so why has it changed? Is that then saying that what I was doing previously is correct and actually I done nothing wrong?

I am just worried that all these squad members were adminjailed instantly for not even violating a Server rule in F1.

Yes maybe the squad member who was stuck inside jail could have F1 im stuck, but remember this is not something that can be done anymore in the jail area F1 im stuck is disabled. So at the time it was thought to let him out by opening the red door as it was not seen that any criminals were out of their cell. This was not abuse of the permissions us squads have but simply trying to help a squad member out of Jail.

I am not arguing here at all Teddy, I am just expressing my views on this event. Any comment from you would be highly appreciated. If you would like to discuss this in PM instead of this topic I have no objection to that either.

Thanks,

Josh

On a side note Teddy. I will speak to ICE leadership (as I am also part of its leadership) and discuss methods of reporting this sort of incidents. I can completely understand James's frustration as this is not something ANY staff member should be doing. However I will discuss within the ICE's leadership a better method of reporting such solution. On the other hand, I do think these sort of incidents do need to be brought to light and not kept in the shadows.