CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI

  • For what it's worth.

    The non-RP leadership team, consisting right now of Myself, Tut and Mohd will not support these so called 'roleplays'.

    We will not allow a coup to undermine the work we have all put into the elections and we will not allow people to force-roleplay or ruin other peoples gameplay.

    These coups are nothing more than disrupting an admin-run RP (the government) and in other cases it's deathmatching.

    We will put these forced roleplays down, and we will do so using an admin panel, not words.

    We can re-visit this topic once there's an actual reason for wanting to coup against the government.

    The fact remains, IG8820 lost the election at 5pm, he was on the streets having a coup at 5:01.

    The government was not even fucking spawned yet. This is a case of someone being a massive sore loser and abusing his position in other groups as a result of it.

    We will not entertain this nonsense. We have come to this conclusion in consultation with SAES HQ.

    Under no circumstance will I allow you to devolve this government into obscurity like the ones before it.

    There will be no further communication on this, this is our stance and it's how it will remain for the foreseeable future.

  • A) No real attempt of a coupe has been made - as made clear in the 'exposed' information, you would be aware that the only aim the members have is to disrupt and protest - you know, hence the revival of a news agency and etc.

    B) No forced RP has occurred (discounting the actions yesterday which were taken before it was made clear that those sort of RPs won't be tolerated).

    C) Are you aware that a coup de etat is the seizure of power - not guerrilla action?

    D) Maybe your non-RP leadership team should also consider the fact that the President of SA is now Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

  • I have been quiet until now thinking that IG was kind of trolling with the so called “coup” attempt, also due to respect that he was my superior in DE.

    It is without doubt now IG has intentions to fuck up the new government which we have finally brought active after it has been dead for a long time.

    I find it very ridiculous and ironic, since IG couldn’t even manage his own squad and had to hand the leadership away because he wasn’t active enough to manage it. Situation being that, he still ran for President. Now may I ask you, that even you don’t deem that you can’t be a good leader yourself, yet you still want to be The President, yet you still want to coup ? What are you going to do if the coup is successful, play the President yourself ? I’ll laugh to that because you have managed to get yourself removed from high positions that you might have worked hard to achieve, and I’ll see you in 4 months when our reign is over, you’ll surely regret being that pathetic.

    For those who might say “Ig OnLy WaNtS tO rP”
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    RP my ass.

    We will not be RPing/working with anyone from FBI or people that have ties with you. I’m pretty sure Secret Service will do necessary things and won’t tolerate such actions as well. So you can fuck off with randomly showing up in my RP speech and shooting me down because now that’s deathmatching and will get you punished.

    We are officially and legally elected government of San Andreas, and we have no ties with anyone, Government is above everything to us.

    -Your officially elected Vice President and a member of Desert Eagles

  • D) Maybe your non-RP leadership team should also consider the fact that the President of SA is now Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

    "Recep Tayyip Erdoğan" won the elections democratically. No need to be butthurt about it.

  • I'll disregard the fact that you are using FBI as an argument as you appear to fail to understand the difficult and intimate nature of maintaining a squad or a gang in comparison to a government which has multiple branches run by people from all over the SAES community.

    @IG8820 said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    A) No real attempt of a coupe has been made - as made clear in the 'exposed' information, you would be aware that the only aim the members have is to disrupt and protest - you know, hence the revival of a news agency and etc.

    B) No forced RP has occurred (discounting the actions yesterday which were taken before it was made clear that those sort of RPs won't be tolerated).

    C) Are you aware that a coup de etat is the seizure of power - not guerrilla action?

    D) Maybe your non-RP leadership team should also consider the fact that the President of SA is now Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

    Additionally, why are you signing the post as an RP character when you are talking completely out of character with sweeping statements such as "We will not be RPing/working with anyone from FBI"?

  • You can't run to the White House, yell "ITS A COUP" and expect that to be called RP and you to be added to the President spawn, can you?

    There is no valid reason to start a coup, or even planning one, besides the fact you lost. Of course, you're mad for losing, anyone would. God knows how much I wanted to coup SAHA after Kain denied me.

    You would've got better in the picture if you've have waited, observed and stroked at the perfect time.
    For example, trying to befriend with enough senators so that in the near future they could overthrow the now elected government. If more than half of them would vote against the government I don't think that the non-RP team (aka Joe and his minions) would oppose such thing, but that's just me talking. There are plenty of ways to get you in that spawn, all you have to do is to know how to act, and threatening people about private groups that have nothing to do with the government (DE and SAI) just makes you look like a power-hungry kiddo.

    Politics is the art of compromise, and like it or not, Odakab nailed it, at least in my view.

    Hope you come back in the future with your ideas in place 😉

  • At no point have I demonstrated that this is all the result of an election loss - TSAR is irrelevant to the matter. Had that been the case, the resistance I would have led would have been centred around the party, not around law enforcement taking matters into their hands.

    Additionally, I bring up the issue of RP as it was stated within the https://saesrpg.uk/topic/7330/register-your-political-party that parties would be considered in accordance with the 'non-RP Leadership team' - yet, a party, with a manifesto involving Turkey was allowed to be placed within the election. If nonsense like that is allowed, it is perfectly appropriate that law enforcement would want to take action against perceived foreigners/ criminals who have taken power over the government.

  • If CLP tries to overthrow the gov its a coup, when DE tries the same its a forced rp
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  • That is how CIA works.

  • @IG8820 said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    Additionally, I bring up the issue of RP as it was stated within the https://saesrpg.uk/topic/7330/register-your-political-party that parties would be considered in accordance with the 'non-RP Leadership team' - yet, a party, with a manifesto involving Turkey was allowed to be placed within the election. If nonsense like that is allowed, it is perfectly appropriate that law enforcement would want to take action against perceived foreigners/ criminals who have taken power over the government.

    I see that you are struggling to understand the fact that we are legally elected Government of San Andreas and it will not change until our reign is over in 4 months, no matter how hard you try. You lost the elections, so get over it. I’m really ashamed to be having this conversation, I would have never expected such an immaturity from a guy like you considering that you must have been around our community for years now.

    Our party is founded by a group friends with a good sense of humour, we took names of real life Turkish politicians, and it eventually got us more attention among our community because other people are also seeing it funny and they are willing to proceed with us in the government and we are planning some good quality RPs, I thought I wouldn’t have to point that out since we have won the elections, isn’t it too obvious ?

    I fail to see what is wrong with that, maybe that’s because nothing is really wrong with it. It’s funny that no one has brought this up before we won the elections, maybe because you can’t get over the fact that you lost and are looking for any excuse to blame us ?

    @Billionaire I’d bother replying if it was coming from anyone else but you.

  • Make sure to quote the full message next time in order to answer your own statements.

    @IG8820 said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    At no point have I demonstrated that this is all the result of an election loss - TSAR is irrelevant to the matter. Had that been the case, the resistance I would have led would have been centred around the party, not around law enforcement taking matters into their hands.

    Additionally, I bring up the issue of RP as it was stated within the https://saesrpg.uk/topic/7330/register-your-political-party that parties would be considered in accordance with the 'non-RP Leadership team' - yet, a party, with a manifesto involving Turkey was allowed to be placed within the election. If nonsense like that is allowed, it is perfectly appropriate that law enforcement would want to take action against perceived foreigners/ criminals who have taken power over the government.

  • @IG8820

    I will not quote you because it makes you look like you might have some points meanwhile all you type is simply bollocks.

    If it wasn’t for you, we wouldn’t be here discussing the legality of the current elected Government, if it wasn’t for you, my RP speech wouldn’t of turned into a massive shitfest yesterday and if you weren’t mistaken, you would still be a part of the mentioned groups in your so called “threatening” post in discord.

    You are at the center of this, don’t you deny that. Isn’t it hypocritical to imply yourself that AK Party intends to work with a known terrorist organization -which is totally bollocks- but when we do the same and assume you work with FBI, considering that you attacked White House with FBI members, you get mad ?

    I don’t care about who you work with, FBI or the big joke called “Junta” that you created to coup. I just want you to stop being cocky and let us do our work to bring the government back. And then maybe you could earn the respect you lost with the time being.

  • @Joe said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    The one thing that does annoy me about this is how shit the RP is.

    There is no justification for a coup. The president is not in CLO, the Vice President is in DE.

    This is force-RP'ing at its finest. NOBODY in the government wants a coup or to be involved in a war, but it is being 'forced' on them.

    BOTH sides need to agree before it's an RP. As of now, this is just DM.

    It will be treated as such.

    These people have worked hard and have been elected democratically and you want to actively ruin and abrupt their gameplay.

    This is nothing more than being a sore loser, and ultimately, a cunt.

    Wow
    Insurgents : hello guys we would like to coup lets do it
    Goverment : ofc come


    I mean its a coup if we want it to be something realistic and a quality rp it should be sudden not expected and calculated

  • @Terry said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    @IG8820

    I will not quote you because it makes you look like you might have some points meanwhile all you type is simply bollocks.

    If it wasn’t for you, we wouldn’t be here discussing the legality of the current elected Government, if it wasn’t for you, my RP speech wouldn’t of turned into a massive shitfest yesterday and if you weren’t mistaken, you would still be a part of the mentioned groups in your so called “threatening” post in discord.

    You are at the center of this, don’t you deny that. Isn’t it hypocritical to imply yourself that AK Party intends to work with a known terrorist organization -which is totally bollocks- but when we do the same and assume you work with FBI, considering that you attacked White House with FBI members, you get mad ?

    I don’t care about who you work with, FBI or the big joke called “Junta” that you created to coup. I just want you to stop being cocky and let us do our work to bring the government back. And then maybe you could earn the respect you lost with the time being.

    As for you Terry - I will quote you. All I appear to see are a slew of devolved insults after you've been shut down with a reasonable answer to each and every statement you've made.

    Let's have a breakdown of what you're saying:

    meanwhile all you type is simply bollocks.

    Perhaps consider the other side of the argument rather than going on a rant about how righteous you are?

    You are at the center of this

    If I'm the centre of this - why is the CIA targeting the FBI in this post?

    but when we do the same and assume you work with FBI, considering that you attacked White House with FBI members, you get mad ?

    Wait, you said this is centred around me? Why are you bringing the FBI back into this? Almost every squad members online was there.

    Isn’t it hypocritical to imply yourself that AK Party intends to work with a known terrorist organization

    The question isn't that we intended to - it was 'if'. If it did happen, then yes, this would be hypocritical, but it didn't.

    stop being cocky and let us do our work to bring the government back.

    I'm simply laying out my side of the argument, is that not allowed?

    And then maybe you could earn the respect you lost with the time being.

    Okay... Maybe you have a point here.

  • @Ardron @IG8820 @Joe

    I think this has indeed been taken out of proportion.

    I don't think its fair to bring in discord related discussion to SAES RP. That is indeed called metagaming and unfair towards anyone involved. Instead of applying this to one person Ardron, in this case being IG8820, you have applied it to everyone in FBI which is unfair and not true. 95% of FBI were not involved, so your stating that FBI as an Police Organisation was responsible for what happened and calling FBI out, that is not fair on FBI as a whole. To remind you there were various people involved from various squads and organisations. I wont be calling out these organisations as there is no need too.

    The 'coup' that took place was something which could have been organised better @IG8820. Roleplay should be organised between two parties and be agreed before it occurs. I understand your ideology behind it but you defiantly took the wrong approach at it from what I can tell.

    @Joe I would like to remind you that the last 5 elections have all included a coup . During my time as Secret Service Director a specific criminal organisation attacked the white house multiple times, declaring it as 'roleplay' but in fact the Director of the Secret Service (being me at the time) did not agree to the roleplay. However it still occurred. This was something which was supported by Admins and staff. I find it very unfair and dishonest from the SAES HQ and the SAES Team to be punishing/calling out people from doing wrong when in fact it was perfectly acceptable when it suited them.

    This should have been handled privately between yourself, Ardron and IG. From that private conversation you could have then developed the government roleplay rules to put in place which you have already announced in this topic. Once those rules were fully developed you could have then announced them to everyone, so everyone is aware of the new rules and then everyone has a fair chance to abide by them. However, instead you decided to take sides and immediately and harshly accuse someone of being a 'sore looser' which is unprofessional.

    In this situation, no one is in the right. Everyone has done wrong in some way. Now being men and not kids, can you take this to private talks and messages and @Ardron delete this thread please as it is directed towards the FBI as a whole which is not fair. @IG8820 I would suggest you remove your topic about FBI separation as I think this is something that needs to be discussed between the FBI HQ team not just decided by yourself.

    @Joe please dont take it as if I am 'having a go' as I am not. I just think this could have been handled a lot better. I have made my fair few mistakes in the past and I learned from them. Everyone makes mistakes gents but lets act like men and move forward and deal with this in the correct fashion. This topic and IG topic has benefited NO ONE.

    Side Note: Don't rip into my literature and punctuation please, that was least on my mind when writing this.

  • @Terry
    the name itself "AK" party denotes AK 47 lol
    Criminal party with links to a terrorist organization and it was still allowed to run for gov, funny shit.
    You talking just like previous parties who won and said that they will do quality rps then gave up and went inactive

  • Everyone talking about that statement ig did but lets be honest here, couping and fighting governments is all based on status what he said is still rp people are just hungry for drama that they accuse of rulebreaking and shit and im supporting his demotion in x group he was in y position in as i concidere it aswell as rp come on people lets have fun

  • @Billionaire

    You are wrong, AK is abbreviation of " Adalet ve Kalkinma "
    Which means Justice&Development Party in English but they prefer to use it's native abbreviation. So it has nothing to do with AK-47

  • @Billionaire said in CIA Declassification of Government case relating FBI:

    @Terry
    the name itself "AK" party denotes AK 47 lol

    just lol

  • @Billionaire

    The name “AK” means white in Turkish. It stands for “Adalet & Kalkınma” which means Justice and Development. As I’ve previously mentioned in my posts, we took it from real life politicians. Please don’t comment if you’re incapable of reading a few lines before having an opinion, you’re only making yourself look ridiculous.

    Unlike other governments, we haven’t been running in elections for power, we did it because we thought it’d be cool to achieve what the previous governments including yours failed to do: keeping the government alive and running.

    @Filex

    I can’t exactly understand what you’re trying to say, but please hesitate from commenting if you have no clue what went down yesterday. You don’t have to have an opinion about everything, you’re only making it worse.

    @Joshbond @IG8820

    One of you say that there was no coup attempt, the other one says coupt attempt could have been more organized. In case you haven’t seen what happened yesterday, let me clue you in. Not long after election results have been announced, shouldn’t be more than an hour, we were added to Government spawns. I wanted to begin with a speech at White House as people have been showing up in there. I began speaking, and was interrupted in the middle of it by the law enforcement units consisting mostly FBI members which was led by IG. All I saw in localchat was something similar to “STOP THIS” and I was dead seconds later.

    Not to mention that IG kept going on with some other actions which led to his removal from a few groups. Seeing IG’s post about people who go against him not being able to join some certain groups, I can’t imagine what he could possibly have told FBI members to make them support him.

    I must remind you that IG made an announcement using FBI’s account, declearing some sort of war against us on behalf of FBI, which is now thankfully removed, so CIA had enough reasons to go after FBI.

    It’s also no good to us to bring up how things were done previously. All of 5 governments had faced a coup as you say Joshbond, but have you ever thought maybe that’s exactly the reason why they all failed ?

    If we did a mistake in past, there is no point in repeating it. We should all learn from our mistakes and move on. You may or may not agree with previous coups against multiple governments, but just because they happened in past doesn’t justify them happening again. What’s done is done, we’re against “oh X happened to me in past, so it must happen to you too” attitude.

    You have also said that no one is innocent here, that’s wrong. Newly elected government is totally innocent. Put yourself in my shoes, it has been only 24 hours since we have been elected, and you see the kind of stuff we are dealing with. The government didn’t ask CIA to create this topic, they did it on their own will, so don’t blame us if you don’t agree with them.

    I’m happy that FBI removed their nonsense topic to go against Government. We just want to get over with this drama as soon as possible, and we don’t want to blame FBI for a certain invidual’s actions so please don’t make us.

    Here is what we are going to do. All law enforcement units are going to act by their role, and a possible coup will not be tolerated. Any harmful act ingame in our RPs, such as a so called “assasination RP” which is not approved by both sides won’t happen, in case they do, they will be treated as deathmatching, as it without doubt is. I hope you all calm your tits and let us do our art now. Don’t judge us before you give us a chance.